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NSymon · Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:45 pm Post subject:

Cool, thanks Cuzinjohn

There was some talk on the UO forum that words of the files 'stana' 'rev' 'ack' etc could a be a D'ni word or name of a place, but I think that idea has been dismissed?

Kind of reminds me of Gehn's lab in Riven. I still think the answer as well lies in Stan's cryptic clue.

'Fifteen of them give the combination
find the hidden within the hidden
picture to the place where it began
and find your destination'

I wonder if it's the Lodge near the cleft where Anna (Ti'ana) grew up?

Zen-17 · Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:24 pm Post subject:

There is an apparatus which seems to be placed near the center of the drawing. It looks like it's in a dome, possibly with windows. An observatory? The piece of equipment in the center look metal. I can see something like hooked 'legs'--either three of them, or a fourth which I can't see. If three, it would remind me a bit of a tripod. The object slightly to the left of the machine, with the 'folded' legs, seems to be a chair. Maybe someone must sit in the chair to operate the device?

'Fifteen of them give the combination / find the hidden within the hidden / picture to the place where it began / and find your destination". The first line seems to state that there's a combination. A combination the machinery? Or to get to the dome with the machinery? Does 'fifteen of them give' mean that fifteen of 'them', when combined, form a combination, or when fifteen are put together, they bring forth the combination in some way? The hidden with the hidden might support the idea that the machinery is a telescope, or some type of viewing device--the 'hidden' being the device itself, the 'hidden with the hidden' being something hidden inside the device, or possibly viewed through the device. The last two lines, about 'where it all began' and 'find your destination' seem to touch upon the ideas of the circle, and the journey. But now I'm wondering--is it Atrus's journey, the explorer's journey, or the traveler's journey? If this is Myst IV, then there's a good chance it'd be the traveler. The fissure is of key importance to the traveler's journey, and the telescope is associated with the fissure--it's visible to the side of the volcano near the clear, almost as a reminder of the circular nature of these things.

I suppose we must wait for more clues. I haven't really been following these puzzles, so forgive me if I don't quite know the whole story.
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NSymon · Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:37 pm Post subject:

Yes now that you mention it, it does look like a telescope. As Uru is set in the present day, I'm assuming Myst IV will be following the previous three in that it's set in the past. And for the life of me I can't remember where I read it, but it was said that Myst IV covers a history that we haven't known before. But it does look like a telescope similiar to the one in Riven.

A return to the fissure, which would be in some sense where we began with the Myst linking book. Excellent ideas Zen-17.

Jon · Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject:

Maybe if we look at it this way:

'Fifteen of them give the combination; find the hidden within the hidden picture, to the place where it began, and find your destination'

This seems to suggest that after we assemble the picture, there will be a hidden puzzle inside it. What it implies to me is that the picture itself hides something, not the apparatus. More specifically, I think that the peices' names, in the proper order, will yield a code, or at least D'ni phrases. Note that there are sixteen peices, but since 'firstpeice' is obviously not a part of the cypher, we are left with fifteen phrases. "Fifteen of them give the combination"- that doesn't mean that there are only fifteen.

EDIT: Random thought, and maybe getting ahead of myself a bit, but could the code be solved on some way by studying the initial positions of the pictures? Many were found at odd angles, upside-down or sideways; to my knowledge, Stan didn't do this with the last picture.

PPS: Another random thought. The wording of the riddle is just 'return to the place where you began'; it says nothing of the picture. Is that a mistake you made, Farlesis, or are there more subtle forces at work? Shocked

I think the idea still stands regardless, but should we perhaps be thanking Stan for the hint?
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Jaharen · Great Tree Member Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 309

Cuzin-Where did you find the upper left picture? rev.jpg Is it on the reborn site?
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NSymon · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:54 am Post subject:

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Stanley.
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brian · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:53 pm Post subject:

There's another clue on orkut... Stan gets around.
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Professor Askew · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:30 pm Post subject:

heh heh....you can probably blame me for that one...
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CuzinJohn · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:03 pm Post subject:

Jaharen · Great Tree Member Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 309

This is what I've collected and pieced together so far:

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Professor Askew · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject:

Well, here's the very interesting clue that Stanley left over at Orkut.

This certainly isn't one of the pictures in the puzzle. Don't know what to make of it. At the top, 15 takes us back to the beginning. And that takes us to ten. Obviously it's a loop.

An apostrophe before a number generally denotes a year...as in 1983?

The last series of numbers is in quotes....

And the page or journal number is 14 or 24? Just a little rusty in that department.

ALSO--If you count the number of numbers in the sequence...and if you count the series of numbers in quotes as one "number"...then you have 15 numbers...one number for each picture in the puzzle?
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Jaharen · Great Tree Member Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 309

I was just thinking. As we have to flip and mirror some of the pics, do you think we might need to do that with the file names too? For example, for.jpg had to be flipped horizontal. Maybe it should now be named rof.jpg. Maybe they would make some more sense. I may be wrong, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

P.S. The journal number is 14.
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Jaharen · Great Tree Member Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 309

Could these two pics from Stan be the same thing? I know the table is on the left and not center in the drawings, but perhaps the machines are the same.

NSymon · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:06 pm Post subject:

It gets more and more intriguing with each new posting.

I'm no good with numbers its embaressing, so I'm not going to say anything about the journal with the various numbers on. But Jahren with us having to flip some of the pictures around we might have to flip some of the file names around as well. What do we have so far in terms of file names?