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Professor Askew Great Tree Member

Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 2532 Location: Bloomfield, CT
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: Who is "He"? - Speculation |
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Believe it or not.....I'm voting Atrus.
If Esher is the "survivor" on Noloben, and he's the same twisted man Sharper discovered, I seriously doubt he's the one Phil is referring to.
I can't believe it's Watson. No matter what he's been through, I can't imagine it would warrant heralding by Phil.
Engberg? Nah.
Calam is dead.
It can't be someone we don't know because Phil would have no reason to allude to it.
And returning? To D'ni?
Assuming Myst V the game is at all accurate, and I am for this example, then we can believe Atrus is alive and well on Releeshan. (Although we can't be sure he's well with the black Bahro cloud looming overhead.) He would certainly have an interest in D'ni's future. He wouldn't want to see a second Fall.
Something to ponder. _________________ Professor Daniel Askew - Securing our reality from the machinations of the Station Masters. |
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Pryftan Explorer


Joined: 31 Jul 2007 Posts: 9
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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I rather enjoyed the speculations pointing to Ahlsendar.. but since Tricia Issacson's "translations" have finally been proven unofficial, I guess there's no specific reason to expect it to be the Great King other than the fact that it'd be cool.
But "They will come, he will come, and I will come as well".. I think that means Bahro come first, the "he" Phil referred to second, and finally Yeesha. _________________ Pryftan Wing
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Durin Mephit Great Tree Officer


Joined: 29 Jan 2004 Posts: 3119 Location: Tigard, OR
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, Pronoun Trouble.
There's still another "he."
Phil said at the end:
phend wrote: | I will return soon, but he will return later.
... with more answers. |
I'm almost certain (and I'm not alone - same theory has been mentioned by others, Great Minds Think Alike) that "he" means the "another" who helped to free the Bahro.
And I think Atrus, if he's still around, has his hands full on Releeshahn.
It's going to be Watson or even possibly Engberg... because I have reason to believe Engberg tried. _________________ Durin Mephit * Member of Guild of Messengers - Unless otherwise stated, opinions are mine only and not Guild endorsed.
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Sa'rUK Veteran Explorer


Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 73 Location: Independence, Missouri
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Phil did say the Bahro were in Releeshahn. He must have been there so, it could be Atrus...
::EDIT:: Could someone PM me with Phils KI number? _________________ Saruk
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Professor Askew Great Tree Member

Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 2532 Location: Bloomfield, CT
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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If Watson (or Engberg) are the "he", then we were not privy to their contribution to freeing the Bahro, therefore we aren't able to make an educated guess. Which is fine, I like surprises. But, I think it would have been much more exciting to have Watson return and herald Phil rather than the reverse. So, I'm keeping my money on Atrus.  _________________ Professor Daniel Askew - Securing our reality from the machinations of the Station Masters. |
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Arionel Explorer

Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Posts: 34 Location: Virginia, the Old Dominion
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmm....Atrus....interesting. Is there a possibility that he is still alive? Or even Catherine for that matter? What could they possibly bring to the Cavern? No disrespect either. _________________ I am Arion Lightseeker, ever searching for Wisdom and Light. |
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Pryftan Explorer


Joined: 31 Jul 2007 Posts: 9
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I think Catherine was implied to be dead in Myst V.. Atrus' voiceover says he lost his wife. I'm assuming, canon-wise, this VO is taken from some sort of actual manuscript Atrus wrote, so I'd say Catherine is probably dead. _________________ Pryftan Wing
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Cycreim Great Tree Officer


Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 1274 Location: Toronto, ON
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Nobody's suggesting Kadish? Kadish has been at the periphery of all this business for a long time. He may be dead, but he was alive at the time of the Fall, and somehow it feels like that's significant. Plus Yeesha has "saved his life", his body no longer dwells in the vault, etc. It's not evidence, but it's really opens up the possibility.
Watson could very well return, but I don't know what he'd know that Phil couldn't tell us. He might have answers from a historical perspective.
Engberg hasn't been gone long enough, he probably hasn't sorted out all his demons yet...
I think we're looking at someone who's going to be very important to the future of D'ni. As much as I like Phil, I don't think he's the He that Yeesha spoke about. This He will wield as much power and influence as the Bahro (they) and Yeesha (I). Watson and Engberg, I don't believe they're that person. Atrus, in his old age, if he's even still alive, likely wouldn't be that person either.
Kadish on the other hand... he was Guild Master. And we've just begun to reinstate the guilds.
I dunno. Circumstances seem to be pointing in a very Kadish direction. _________________ KI: 34353 |
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Pryftan Explorer


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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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I personally don't really see it being Kadish. I always felt that Kadish was sort of a caricature - a symbol of the entire D'ni fall condensed into one proud, arrogant figure. Therefore, Yeesha's "resurrection" of him is symbolic of her burden to grow or resurrect D'ni, and not so much a storyline event as it were. _________________ Pryftan Wing
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Professor Askew Great Tree Member

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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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I think I'm changing my vote to Kadish. Someone brought his name up last night in the Cavern. Things DO seem to point to him given our previous experiences. In fact, I should have thought of him before. Frankly, I'm a little embarrassed.  _________________ Professor Daniel Askew - Securing our reality from the machinations of the Station Masters. |
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Erik Great Tree Member


Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 1121 Location: the Netherlands
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Dr. Watson is my first guess, with Engberg on no. 2.
I don't think Kadish or Ahlsendar is the "he". We know now that Myst V has been very accurate and I think there's only one explanation for that: Cyan Worlds must have got a detailed account from the "he". And it seems very unlikely to me that Kadish or Ahlsendar contacted Cyan. |
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janaba1 Great Tree Member


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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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I tend to second everything Cycreim has stated...
...and I also tend to believe what is stated here, that's the translation of Tricia I.
...I would even go so far to believe that Kadish could be Ahlsendar...
As of Atrus additional I'd like to link to the ending of Myst V, that tells me somehow,
that it couldn't be him, that his commission is done...
(as we don't have any spoiler tags here, I avoid quotations)
I still couldn't figure out anything by reading the "Words" of the Maker...
This is all very speculative, of course, but I vote for Kadish  |
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Erik Great Tree Member


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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: |
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janaba1 wrote: | ...and I also tend to believe what is stated here, that's the translation of Tricia I. |
Cate Alexander made clear that that Tricia was an imposter a few days ago.  |
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janaba1 Great Tree Member


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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: |
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That's not really a reason for me not to believe it
But however, that anyway just counts as a side note,
one "for me" possible argument, so my vote remains the same  |
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Durin Mephit Great Tree Officer


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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:31 am Post subject: |
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(OOC: Greydragon posted at UO that Tricia is just a fan making things up.) _________________ Durin Mephit * Member of Guild of Messengers - Unless otherwise stated, opinions are mine only and not Guild endorsed.
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